You must log in or register to reply here. If you got a 350cd/m2 display I doubt you'd use it at over 300 anyway, so it's not important. That will burn your eyes at night too. At 30% APL the Nexus 6’s screen can output over 400 nits, but at 100% (all white), it’s about 250 nits. I ordered another laptop that has 300 nits display. In big-box stores, cranking the brightness certainly helps juice sales. I'm not trying to emulate the dynamic range of HDR here, I just want the TV to be able to produce greater brightness when watching normal SDR content, to make it more watchable on a bright sunny day. It has long been an accepted truth that the brightest TV on the sales floor sells the best. BUT...its not bright enough it seems. 250 nits for indoor content consumption? But if you're going up a hill, passing another car or getting up to speed on the highway, most cars need a lot more. 1 Home Entertainment Tech Community & Resource. Got a tech question for Sound & Vision? In partial sun situations, a SkyVue 700 nit partial sun digital TV will greatly satisfy your viewing pleasure with near twice the brightness of our 500 nit TV’s. Recent prototype TVs with high dynamic range can get 15 times brighter than yours. And while high dynamic range (HDR) delivers the best home video picture quality available today, to get the most out of HDR TV shows, movies and games, your TV needs to be really bright. Europe's busiest forums, with independent news and expert reviews, for TVs, Home Cinema, Hi-Fi, Movies, Gaming, Tech and more. Like flamethrowers in the hands of teenagers, these are incredible tools that could be used with terrible results. ... and assume the aggregate 6 reviewers are well enough educated. 500 NITs; 43-inch display; Weatherproof 20-watt soundbar; 4K resolution; Aluminum casing; Ease of Use. Join the AVForums team live on Wednesdays at 7pm UK time. Tweet at him @TechWriterGeoff then check out his travel photography on Instagram. The average nit count for indoor televisions is between 250 and 350 nits. Looking at the old xps led screens, they don't look as bright to me and some are just awful. I actually consider 300 nits to be "average"; when looking for a laptop that is generally the minimum nits I want. I was thinking that modern TVs designed for HDR content are capable of displaying much greater brightness, so presumably they carry that ability through even when watching SDR content if you set the brightness high enough. AVForums.com is owned and operated by M2N Limited, Your screen, whether it’s an internal one or an external one, outputs a certain number of nits and this measurement is a part of its basic specifications. Ideally just a tiny part of the image, the brightest highlights, would be that bright. Your TV could look that realistic too. With technologies like full-array local dimming, quantum dots and Micro LED, televisions are only going to get brighter. Add that to the benefit of around 40% to 50% more runtime if the test was right and this device looks even more attractive. That's 10-15 times brighter than your current TV. I had a 300 nits display (or 330 I believe) and indoors I used about 30-40% of screen brightness, maximum I ever used indoors was 70%. As bright, perhaps, as if you were standing in that wood yourself. Podcast: The AVForums Virtual Bubble Special Edition. If you get a shiny 10,000-nit TV, you'll be able to turn down that peak brightness if you find it fatiguing. Get a at least a 300 nit screen or higher. Yes they will be able to get brighter but not much if not any better than LCDs made today that don't get bright enough for HDR do. And yet… now I want one. My point is these tv's don't produce that many nits with SDR content so its irrelevant. Or at least, it shouldn't be. Pretty good. But Sony demonstrated at CES 2018 that 10,000 nits “might not be high enough,” at least not for professional cinemas. When we first started talking about HDR, Dolby had a reference monitor prototype that was "only" 4,000 nits, and it was impressive. Both are DCI 4K resolution and use a zone backlighting system with 2048 zones in a 31-inch screen size. “The dramatic difference is between 400 and 700 nits.” 2,000-nit screens are called “high brightness” or “extreme brightness” displays, but they’re not the brightest. My opinions expressed here do not represent those of the AVForums or its associated websites. So how bright is too bright? Bright enough for what use specifically? We delete comments that violate our policy, which we encourage you to read. It works in daytime scenes too, with bright objects looking just like they do in real life. SkyVue makes their outdoor TVs ranging from 400 nits (Bright) to 2,500 nits (Ultra High Bright). For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Allow me to try to simplify it. I have noticed what seems to be a trend in the past couple of years where moderately priced laptops are shipping with dimmer screens; in the 240 nits to 270 nits range. With around 300 nits, it is not quite bright to make HDR details pops. Meanwhile, with HDR content, their peak brightness certainly is way less bright. A nit rating under 700 nits, is insignificant to be bright enough to withstand full readability in direct sunlight applications. Still have a question? It’s not a direct ratio. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Friend 2 asked me for advice before purchasing. Even though the human eye is capable of seeing a huge range of brightness, there's a comfort limit. Nit is another name for "candela per square meter," a measure of the intensity of luminance. They take out a flashlight to see their way. I feel you need at least 750 nits of peak brightness to make HDR images look good, and that’s if the TV is capable of perfect black levels, like the Sony A8H OLED or the LG CX OLED TV. In the US we've historically used the foot-lambert, though thankfully that term seems to have disappeared from pretty much everywhere. Copyright © 2000-2020 M2N Limited E. & O.E. The tv I’m likely to trade this -tbh, perfect monitor for what I wanted in a monitor- is said to run a stable 600 nits with a 700 peak. User #258577 1181 posts. Any help to figure this out would be highly appreciated. So what is brightness? The vast majority of day-to-day driving in any vehicle only requires 50 or so horsepower. 10,000 nits is in the range of staring at the sky during midday, staring at a florescent office bulb, and other squint-worthy events not usually considered overly pleasant for long-term viewing. Please don't forget to include these details if you want to ask for a TV recommendation! Creepy, moody, dark. Basically any content that depicts something taking place in the dark is unwatchable on such a day. The key? © 2020 CNET, A RED VENTURES COMPANY. As I said in the OP, the issue here is that the room where my TV is can be very bright during the day - so bright in fact that my current TV doesn't go bright enough for daytime viewing on a sunny day in the summer. According to Dolby's research, "a system that could reproduce a range of 0 to 10,000 nits satisfied 90 percent of viewers.". But even so, although not as bright as the X800H, peak brightness of the X800G actually is also bright enough for most bright room, except when it is set on … Pligrish. The rule of display brightness is quite easy and simple the better is one that could make reading easy in the bright and luminous setting. I'm looking for a new TV and have pretty much settled on either the Samsung 55KS8000 or Panasonic 58DX902, and I decided on an LCD rather than an OLED because it's going to be used in a room that can be very bright during the day in the summer. This website uses the TMDb API but is not endorsed or certified by TMDb. LG C9 comes up in many reviews as one of the best TVs right now. Got a tech question for Sound & Vision? If you’re going to place a screen by a pool, in the middle of a plaza, or facing west, it must be at least 700 nits to appear bright … Forum Rules | Guide to Display Cables / Adapters Create an account or sign in … I considered 400 nits to be bright. I wear sunblock to change a nightlight, so there's no way I would have considered a 10,000-nit TV a good idea. It’s light enough to haul around and put wherever you want. Standard models regularly put out 400 nits, and a high-bright monitor can put out anywhere between 2000 to 2500 nits! Z is supposed to surpass the TZ as video reviews indicated. Not wanting him to be screwed over, unable to persuade him to spend enough to get 800-1000 nits, the best I could do was ensure he got a TV that does Dolby Vision, in the hope that the customised tone-mapping would help. I haven’t had a problem viewing this screen, even in bright rooms, but I do have a vague worry that it’s affecting my battery life to have it cranked up higher. Moreover, there is no need to modify the screen turns to eradicate the disturbing reflections. Most TV manufacturers peak at 500 to 600 zone for a 65-inch TV, and we are talking about 2048 zones on these 31-inch monitors.” Email us at AskSandV@gmail.com Q My house has a well-lit living room where I watch TV. 300 nits is about the max an OLED will give with a full screen white picture so that's why OLEDs are more than bright enough for SDR content. For competetive gaming? I've been wondering too, but I have a Panasonic plasma (GT50) and at the time nits weren't a thing so I have no idea how my current TV compares with full white and peak brightness figures that now seem to be so important. A standard home TV will put out roughly 100-200 nits. How quantum dots could challenge OLED for best TV picture, Why 4K isn't enough: The case for higher resolutions. He also thinks you should check out his best-selling sci-fi novel and its sequel. Peak brightness matters in any situation in which you want the picture Or put simply and colloquially, "brightness.". “Sony had a demo at CES that pretty much put to bed the notion that 10,000 nits was going to require sunglasses,” Pruitt told the gathering of content grading and production professionals. 2,000 nits is not three times brighter than 700 nits,” says Tom Dixon, vice president of marketing at SunBrite TV. —Paul G. A Before I respond to that question, let me first provide some background on Sound & Vision’s TV evaluation priorities. We don’t use candles anymore, and stuffing them into sensitive electronics is a terrible idea, so it’s sort of hard to tell how many of them you want in your screen without looking at a few numbers. Whether that's 300 nits or 5000 nits doesn't matter because not all parts of the scene require that. HDR10 vs. Dolby Vision vs. HLG: How do HDR formats compare. The 2017 Oleds comfortably get bright enough in a dark room for SDR content as did 99% of old TVs (which is why nits wasn't really mentioned much before). The measurements companies use to sell the brightness of a screen, the power of a projector or the strength of a flashlight—those numbers above, the nits and the lumens—refer to objective measurements of light from a screen or a bulb, as taken by specific instruments. "Full-Spec" is a reference to the maximum light output in the current version of the HDR specification (specifically, Dolby Vision). We consider a TV that gets to over 250 cd/m2 in our 50% window test to be bright enough that the TV will look good in a bright room, and one that brightens to over 400 cd/m2 in our 2% window test to be good for HDR highlights. JavaScript is disabled. Most indoor LCD displays are 300 to 350 nits, which look sharp and clear in a dimly lit room. The kind of nits these TV's produce are only mentioned now because of HDR. It's the beauty of HDR, potentially. No, we’re not talking about head lice here, but rather a piece of terminology used in the tech world. Watch Wonder Woman 1984 today on HBO Max -- and don't skip the end credits, How to watch Pixar's Soul on Disney Plus today, Easy (but great) last-minute Christmas gifts you can print or email. Another good analogy is car horsepower. A higher rating means a brighter display. Done right, most of the TV screen won't be much brighter than what you already have, most of the time. A TV’s peak brightness indicates how bright images can get on the TV. CES 2018 suffered a blackout -- the city of Las Vegas and the Consumer Technology Association blamed it on the rain, but maybe Sony's crazy demo TV was the real culprit. But many HDR TVs produce only 100 to 300 nits, which is really not enough to deliver an HDR experience. IF somehow you were to make an older TV HDR capable so you would want it to display more than 120 nits max, or you wish to increase the brightness substantially for another reason, you're probably looking at 200-300 nits max. Got a question for Geoff? Even in a darkened room off to the side of Sony's booth, the image was incredible. And insanely expensive. Imagine a character walking through the woods at night. Not that "nit" sounds much better than "lambert" but at least we're all speaking metric. Flanders is upgrading theirs to 3,000 nits vs 2,000 nits for TV Logic. The TV isn't always 10,000 nits. Where you need to consider the Nits rating more specifically is with 4K Ultra HD TVs that include HDR — the higher the light output, the better. The nit is the standard unit of luminance used to describe various sources of light. In partial sun situations, a SkyVue 700 nit partial sun digital TV will greatly satisfy your viewing pleasure with near twice the brightness of our 500 nit TV’s. I remember discussions that TVs would be that bright "in a few years" and found it hard to believe. This certainly makes the picture displayed on the screen of the X800H is more consistent in a bright room than the X800G. I don't really like a very bright display but others might. The noonday sun measures around 1,600,000,000 nits and the night sky around 0.001 nits. The nits value of a monitor is usually mentioned on its box, or on the manufacturer’s website. At CES 2018, Sony demonstrated a prototype TV putting out a claimed 10,000 nits. It matters a lot for people who watch TV in a bright room, and for people who want HDR media to have really bright highlights. I doubt you'd call it dim though, right? By the time a 10,000-nit TV reaches the market, though, who knows what will be possible with HDR content. A slightly more hel… Whether it’s rain, bugs, or hot temperatures, your 4K TV stays protected. I believe the default is set at 1000 but I can't fInd any info on my actual TVs maximum nit output which is a LG 55UH615T 4K (I think 2016 model but not 100%). Huge disappointment, barely no effect at all - as the TV can barely do 300 nits. Definitive laptops are eligible for generating usually 200 to 300 nits brightness level, which is not enough for outside the room so we require more. —Paul G. A Before I respond to that question, let me first provide some background on Sound & Vision’s TV evaluation priorities. Sony's 10,000-nit prototype. Now there's 2.5 times more light on the horizon. Are OLED sets bright enough to use in that space, or should I buy an LCD TV instead? So, no one is really wrong here, even though they have very different numbers. And small. There will also likely be limiters that prevent the whole screen from getting too bright, just in case some ill-mastered content tries to exfoliate your retinas with a full-screen white image at full brightness. Nature has a lot of nits. maybe the new ones will be better. If you've ever gotten eye fatigue from staring at a screen in a dark room, you're familiar with this limit. Nits is a measure of brightness, or more accurately, of luminosity. Better-performing HDR TVs typically generate at least 600 nits of peak brightness, with top performers hitting 1,000 nits or more. Get a at least a 300 nit screen or higher. And you know what, had you told me about how great it looked, I wouldn't have believed you either. Some of the best LED screen, if not the best are the ones on the Vaio TZ and Z series. It really looked that good. Of course there are potential issues. 400 nit is plenty bright and absolutely do not buy the 1000 nit option they offer with the privacy guard, it has horrible viewing angles because of the privacy guard even though it goes up to 1000 nits. Lounge: Clearaudio Performance DC/Clarify/Ortofon Cadenza Bronze > NJC SUT > NJC Phono Pre | Audiolab 6000CDT | OPPO UDP-203 (Roon) >> Lyngdorf TDAI-2170 >> Dynaudio Special Forty & 2*Lyngdorf BW-2. Yes, 300 is quite bright. Also like the Porsche, just because that performance is there doesn't mean you'll need to use it. For 720p/1080p or Non-HDR 4K Ultra HD TVs, information on Nits is not usually promoted but varies from 200 to 300 Nits, which is bright enough for traditional source content and most room lighting conditions (although 3D will be noticeably dimmer). Read more: The TVs of tomorrow will turn invisible. Seriously though, I've been reviewing and writing about TVs for 17 years and I've never resorted to this specific hyperbole: I think this prototype might be the most realistic image I've ever seen. Will you need sunglasses to watch them? You can use dedicated hardware to measure it as well. Some approximate brightness ranges for a simple image of a flower. Your TV at home, depending on its technology and age, maxes out at maybe 250-500 nits. Or, more relevant to us here, the average modern TV maxes out around 500-1,000 nits, and a movie theater screen maybe 50. The best TVs of the next decade won't necessarily be the brightest, but the ones that are best able to wrangle that brightness to create a punchy, realistic, easy-to-watch image. We're starting to see some TVs pushing 1,500 nits, but that's still pretty rare and, in the case of the Samsung Q7, it gets dimmer after a few seconds. Basically what. Be respectful, keep it civil and stay on topic. Is 300 nits bright enough for TV? One wonders at the power required to drive such a beast. Content that looks particularly good on an HDR-capable set would include sunsets, street lamps at night, views of a bright moon reflecting off a dark sea: basically anything that can have a wide range of brightness … For an equally vivid picture, an outdoor display must be at least 400 nits—but plan to install it in a shadowed, protected location, like under an eave, or facing east with only morning sun. A Sony prototype HDR TV was able to hit 10,000 nits, though most HDRs max out around 2,000. Nits Are a Unit of Brightness. The manufacturers at CES were claiming peak brightness of their HDR-capable TVs between 600 nits and 1000 nits while a typical LED/LCD peaks out closer to 250-300 nits. well the Hi-Color screen on my FW gets 100% color saturation and an average of 347 nits. 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